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  Are JW's Sins Forgiven? NO - (Says the Watchtower)

  by Sea Breeze in

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  anyone who has been of this forum in the past few days has seen doubting thomas (an active jw) refuse over and over to provide even one scripture that can show how a jw can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant as described in mt.

  26: 27-28. yet, he claims to believe in the blood covering of jesus while at the same time personally rejecting the new covenant "for forgiveness of sins".

  his contradictory claims are common among jw's.

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  Sea Breeze

  These are the Core Doctrines of the Watchtower they don't tell you about until after you get baptized:
  

  
  

  1. Jehovah is NOT your Father

  "They address him prospectively as 'Our Father'

  - WT 8/15/45 pg. 253

  
  

  2. You ARE NOT declared righteous as a JW.

  "These have not received the free gift of righteousness"

  - WT 6/15/2011

  3. You DO NOT have your sins forgiven as a JW.

  "The ...other sheep..are...not even justified." WT 1938 pages 104-105

  4. Jesus IS NOT your Mediator

  "Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind".

  -Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace, Pg. 10

  No one in their right mind would join a group that taught this stuff if they knew about it before hand. Obviously, the WT must employ deception in order to attract members. Of course, once you figure this out, they usually have their hooks in your family too, who will dutifully shun you if you dissent.

  It is utterly cruel and Satanic.

  Rattigan,

  I want to thank you for at least having the guts to admit that you don't need scriptures to back up your beliefs.
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  Are JW's Sins Forgiven? NO - (Says the Watchtower)

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  anyone who has been of this forum in the past few days has seen doubting thomas (an active jw) refuse over and over to provide even one scripture that can show how a jw can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant as described in mt.

  26: 27-28. yet, he claims to believe in the blood covering of jesus while at the same time personally rejecting the new covenant "for forgiveness of sins".

  his contradictory claims are common among jw's.

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  Sea Breeze

  One does not need to be in the new covenant to get their sins forgiven. Do you need a specific scripture telling you that?

  Of course! Especially since:

  1. This is the opposite of what Jesus commanded people to do.

  2. This is the opposite of what the apostles led people to do.

  3. This is the opposite of what Christians did for 2000 years when the WT suddenly decided to change it for their members.
  
  All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine - 2 Tim. 3: 16
  
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  Are JW's Sins Forgiven? NO - (Says the Watchtower)

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  anyone who has been of this forum in the past few days has seen doubting thomas (an active jw) refuse over and over to provide even one scripture that can show how a jw can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant as described in mt.

  26: 27-28. yet, he claims to believe in the blood covering of jesus while at the same time personally rejecting the new covenant "for forgiveness of sins".

  his contradictory claims are common among jw's.

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  Sea Breeze

  Anyone who has been of this Forum in the past few days has seen Doubting Thomas (an active JW) refuse over and over to provide even one scripture that can show how a JW can get their sins forgiven while outside of the New Covenant as described in Mt. 26: 27-28. Yet, he claims to believe in the blood covering of Jesus while at the same time personally rejecting the new covenant "for forgiveness of sins". His contradictory claims are common among JW's.

  And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my blood of the covenant, which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins". - NWT

  The WT knows that no such scripture exists because, shortly after officially denying JW's the opportunity to get their sins forgiven in the 1930's, the Watchtower wanted to make sure that the average JW knew that claiming to have your sins forgiven by the blood of Christ would not be tolerated.

  "The ...other sheep..are...not even justified." WT 1938 pages 104-105

  Websters Dictionary defines Justification as : remission of sin and absolution from guilt and punishment; or an act of free grace by which God pardons the sinner and accepts him as righteous, on account of the atonement of Christ.

  This is still official WT dogma. - Just a FYI

  The good news is that the Atonement is still open for business... if you are a "whosoever".

  • But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
    John 4:14
    
    And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
    • Mark 8:34
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  Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  Sea Breeze

  he had his 'memorial' with his apostles, not his many disciples.

  That does not show how a person can get there sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant does it? It is also VERY lame reasoning. By this reasoning, only his apostles could get their sins forgiven and they were apostates for later inviting others to get their sins forgiven too!

  The fact is that after Jesus showed them how to do it, the apostles obediently led everyone else to enter into this agreement "for the forgiveness of sins" as well. Christians have been doing this for 2000 years. This agreement is literally what makes them "Christian" .... which means "little christ"

  Is this your ONLY reason for personally rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins"?

  Don't you think it odd that after reading the bible all the way through several times, you still don't know how to get your sins forgiven?

  So again, where is the scripture that says you can get your sins forgiven while outside of the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins"?
  
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  Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  denial..

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  Sea Breeze

  DT, you are providing an answer to the wrong question. The demons believe in Jesus too.... are they saved? Of course not.

  I'm still waiting for you to provide a scripture that shows how you can get your sins forgiven outside of the New Covenant...... surely there must be one. Surely you wouldn't base your eternal future on a position that has zero scriptural support would you?

  So, no you still haven't answered my question. which is a fair question.

  
  And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.
  

  You are suggesting that there is some way to avoid condemnation while at the same time personally rejecting the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins". Where is your scriptural support?

  Jehovah's Witnesses are historically known to go to extreme measures to keep from answering this simple question..... just as you have. They will abandon children, grand children, parents and take other extreme measures to keep from being made to feel uncomfortable in their rebellion against Christ.

  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber......I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved - John 10

  Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is NONE of his.” - Roman 8: 9

  So again, where is the scripture that says you can get your sins forgiven while outside of the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins"?
  
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  Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  denial..

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  Sea Breeze

  SB- you may have a reading disorder; I've ANSWERED yours.

  No you haven't. More gas-lighting. That is so abusive to others.

  For the umpteenth time:

  Since you reject the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" as offered in Mt. 26: 27-28 by personally refusing the bread and wine (which IS the New Covenant)...

  How do you get your sins forgiven outside of the New Covenant?
  
  
  
  
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  Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  denial..

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  Sea Breeze

  Understanding JW behavior patterns in only 6 seconds:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4qUEoVfBKQ&ab_channel=firelily234
  
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  Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  denial..

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  Sea Breeze

  Stop Gas Lighting DT. All of your questions have been answered, but it is YOU who keep running away from answering basic questions about your belief.

  Like Here.

  And Here.

  So are you ever going to answer?
  
  Here are some other JW's that had a hard time with the same questions:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqwH_USEzpU&ab_channel=BibleReady
  
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  Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

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  Sea Breeze

  Ha!

  Why is it so hard for you to admit that you don't have one single, solitary scripture to back up your adherence to a view formulated and promoted by men you have already rejected?
  
  Do you think that is wise?
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  Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

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  Sea Breeze

  DT, I'm a dude bubba.

  Sea Breeze doesn't believe Jesus ever died

  
  

  Wrong, never said that.

  
  I'm still waiting for you to provide a scripture that shows how you can get your sins forgiven outside of the New Covenant...... surely there must be one. How else can we explain your total adherence to your view without a SINGLE scripture to back up your belief. Right?
  
  So where is that scripture that shows how you can get your sins forgiven without the NC. I have my bible handly ready to look it up.
  
  Surely, you wouldn't base your entire eternal future on a bunch of men you have already determined to be buffoons would you?

  Now, how 'bout that scripture?